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Gallowmere Rorschach
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Posted - 2013.06.28 22:46:00 -
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Here's an idea: check player histories before agreeing to duel. If someone is more than twice your age (assuming you are less than 6 months old), they will likely have a significant advantage over you, especially if they are trained in a specialized manner.
PvP in Eve is just as much about preparation and picking your battles as it is about the pew itself. |

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Posted - 2013.06.28 22:52:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:Here's an idea: check player histories before agreeing to duel. If someone is more than twice your age (assuming you are less than 6 months old), they will likely have a significant advantage over you, especially if they are trained in a specialized manner.
PvP in Eve is just as much about preparation and picking your battles as it is about the pew itself. yeah you've pretty much proved my point about pvp in this game. It only really matters about how old your character is. If your character is old is most likely able to use tech 2 weapons and then its game over Not really. I have killed many a T2 fitted frigate using a Merlin with T1 guns. It's all about knowing which ships you can take down, and what you need to be able to do in order to make this happen.
Also, the current FotM involves light missile kiting frigates, and most of those that I have killed were using meta launchers, just because T2 launchers can be a pain to fit on small ships. Basically, if someone doesn't catch you before you get out of web/scram range, they're screwed, assuming they aren't faster than you. |

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Posted - 2013.06.29 21:50:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:yeah and you're lose board also shows you have tech 2 weapons and all your kills have been with a large fleet. So pretty much what everyone has said is:
- your an idiot and l2p
- go play Wow
- go to corp X
- frigates are only good for tackling in a fleet
well if the last is true why bother having frigates at all in the game if they can't do anything by themselves. Those who said frigs are only good for tackling in a fleet (don't actually recall anyone using those exact words though) have never been involved with faction warfare. Out here, we have to ship down to T1 frigs more often than anything else. It's all that can fit in novice plexes, and when someone sees a Thrasher rolling around system, where do you think they run to? I'm almost a year old, and I spend more time in a Breacher now than anything else. Best part? It's a lot more fun than lumbering around in a slow ass battleship. :) |

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Posted - 2013.06.30 23:15:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Mocam wrote:e.g. you may watch a lot of fights but that won't prep you for those incoming punches. It takes participation to get a feel for it and each encounter tends to differ. Let me introduce you to -- Tankspot... http://www.tankspot.com/forumdisplay.php?206-Project-Marmot-TankSpot-Raid-Movie-GuidesWhen you're raised well, and on a diet of videos, yes you will be good when you get into an encounter from the knowledge. It's not just theory (theory is like Elitist Jerks, where they do the math and sims). TankSpot is the default place to go for all raid encounter info for all roles, and if you're a competitive raider you're even expected to study them (don't waste players time otherwise). So I do understand what you're saying but one size fits all training doesn't work, because there's many ways to train than just be cannon fodder for a month or longer, wasting time and resources. Your method is to be gank fodder to gain experience, mine is to study mechanics; strats and situations via videos first as it's most efficient. When I first started in EvE I spent the nights listening in on the gate coms with the vets. That's how I learned about protecting territory, and how it's done. A visual idea wasn't needed, what was is when A occurs what do you do (that FC was the best, he could rattle off the numbers and do the napkin math just like a RL pilot). It's like how other professionals learn, be it a ATC or a pilot even (you realize they don't just jump into a 767 and fly it, they must put time in simulators and classroom instruction). So don't worry, I'll learn and learn well. The problem with TankSpot is that it is generally used as a source for raiding knowledge, and raid mechanics are usually few in number (even compared to Eve frigate combat), and all they can teach is "watch for this, and this is about to happen", basically. It doesn't really work that way in Eve PvP. People do unexpected stuff all of the time. I've seen people use armor tanked bait Merlins, for example. I've also seen people do silly stuff (that would seem like a terrible idea at first) like compromise their entire fit on a frigate to put on 2 MASBs, but the rest of their fit doesn't matter much when you can't even remotely dent their tank while they plink you to death.
Comparing Eve PvP to a TankSpot video would only be accurate if raid bosses had the potential to change their behavior and mechanics at random. Some do, to a very small degree (and people ***** about RNG in WoW all of the time), but it's still nowhere near the same level of "WTF just happened?" |

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Posted - 2013.07.01 13:38:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:Paul Otichoda wrote:basiclly if you want to PvP in this game your screwed as a starting player. People say that you can pvp at any level but I call them lies. Pretty much any chance of PvP you get the enemy will be with tech 2 guns and faction ammo or in a bigger ship than you. Everyone has webifier and warp jammers so you can't escape and then you lose your ship. With luck you might keep your pod, if not you lose your expensive to get implants.
Nothing is fun about this for the new player and it is all just a money sink.
Its only fun for the people who have the skills and money to get the best guns and then its game over for you.
THERE IS NO POINT OF PVP FOR NEW PLAYERS I had less than 2.5 mil SP when I got my first kill. And, bigger ship doesn't always equal better than smaller. In fact, it RARELY does. Bigger only=better when you are shooting at structures...christ those things have a lot of HP. |

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Posted - 2013.07.01 14:08:00 -
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don santo wrote:It does not take long to train up t2 small guns and frigates. The problem also seems to be you went to faction warfare solo. faction warfare is a group effort. If you want to solo go gank ratters or bait mission runners. You can get some decent solo action in FW, you just have to develop a feel for calling it. As an example, I saw a Condor sitting outside my novice plex for a good two to three minutes. Something about it didn't feel right, so I aligned out. As soon as he entered the plex and started yellowboxing me, his five man gankwagon jumped in system, so I warped out. Luckily for me, their timing was terrible, as they didn't actually wait for him to point me. I suppose they were worried that they wouldn't make the 15 AU warp before my Firetail melted the Condor....oh, and the fact that a Condor was willing to engage a Firetail that was already in a plex was a pretty big giveaway too. |

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Posted - 2013.07.01 14:49:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:I too would like to have the win/loss record of an ace pilot... without actually spending the time necessary to learn the personal skills to become one. I have over 90% efficiency, due to being carried by my corp, because I am a terribad. It's almost like this isn't a single player game or something. vOv
(No, that wasn't a direct jab at your comment, it just inspired me to say that, so I quoted it.) |

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Posted - 2013.07.01 17:51:00 -
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Norm Tempesta wrote:Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:I too would like to have the win/loss record of an ace pilot... without actually spending the time necessary to learn the personal skills to become one. I have over 90% efficiency, due to being carried by my corp, because I am a terribad. It's almost like this isn't a single player game or something. vOv (No, that wasn't a direct jab at your comment, it just inspired me to say that, so I quoted it.) Haha, proviblob for the win. Provi? I fly in FW now, and was in Wicked Creek before that, and Querious before that. |

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Posted - 2013.07.01 18:05:00 -
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Norm Tempesta wrote:
I was agreeing with you about the value of corpmates. We are known around here for blobbing, I guess.
Ohhh, I gotcha. Yeah, I've had some interesting fights in Provi before when wormholes were kind to my alliances. I remember going over there in a frig/kitchen sink roam once, and getting met by Drakes with Rapid Light Missile Launchers fit. I was not expecting a Drake to be able to kill a Punisher in just a few volleys. xD |

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Posted - 2013.07.01 19:51:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:Update
I've ditched the Kestrel, its just too weak to engage in pvp with support and gone over to the merlin. That is much better, can actually equib a warp jammer and still tank.
Also got into a good fight with a frigate as well. Seem to have tech 1 weapons and was probadly a new player like me. Was able to get him an orbit where I was damaging him more than me. He was active armour tanking and I think I was about to exhaust his capacitor. It was at this point that he burned away from me outside my warp jammer range and escaped.
Now that was actually kind of fun and not just a hopeless fight. Wish there where more people like that on the battlefield.
might try the condor next. Condor works very similar to the Kestrel. It shines best when used as a kiter. If brawling is more your style, stick with something like the Merlin or blaster Incursus. Or hell, if you want a decent tank as well as the ability to kite, try a rail Incursus or the Tristan.
Oh, make sure to use a scrambler and web, not a disruptor on brawler ships. If you can't shut off a kiter's MWD, they will quickly get out of range of your blasters, then just proceed to spend five minutes making you feel stupid as they plink you to death from 20+km away. |

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Posted - 2013.07.01 20:03:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote: I recommend Bantam
I couldn't figure out why I knew that ship name, yet couldn't recall what it did. Then I looked it up....bwahahahahahahalogifrig. Yeah, that was a good idea, on paper. |

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Posted - 2013.07.01 20:08:00 -
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Private Pineapple wrote:When I read the topic title I facedesked... Is that what happened to your avatar's hair? |

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Posted - 2013.07.01 20:48:00 -
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Oh...my...god....it's like I'm getting the Burt stare from an overly tanned Eminem. |
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